Miami Beach fortifying up for Memorial Day Weekend.

The truth is that the people who come to Miami for MDW behave badly and act like thugs. If their skin was white, yellow, pink or blue and they acted like that, I would feel the same way.

Level wants to ignore the simple reality that their behavior over many years is why people complain and pretend it's just because they're black.

This type of stuff doesn't happen during conference week/weekend. I don't even know how you can compare the two weekends.

This type of stuff doesn't happen during conference week/weekend. I don't even know how you can compare the two weekends.

To bump off your post, don't forget the amount of weapons confiscated during that weekend from out of towners... I have seen 50 personally in one weekend from hand guns to rifles.

If you have dreads, wear gold teeth, sag your pants, walk with a shifty limp, rock gold/silver plated chains, with iced up wrists- based on perception, you are considered a freaking thug. It just so happens that the above description fits most of the black dudes during memorial day weekend.

It is what it is folks.. Miami Gardens, Carol City, Lauderhill all have the highest crime rates in the South East United States. Do the research and find out the population status. It is what it is.... Folks are constantly in denial but until they ask their local pd for crime stats and find out whose doing most of the crime..

It is what it is folks.. Miami Gardens, Carol City, Lauderhill all have the highest crime rates in the South East United States. Do the research and find out the population status. It is what it is.... Folks are constantly in denial but until they ask their local pd for crime stats and find out whose doing most of the crime..

Okay, I was going to try to let this nonsense pass, but this is just beyond the pale. Hey, dipwad, CRIMINALS do crime. The color of ones skin is IRRELEVANT to whether or not one is a criminal.

All of you get that through your skulls. Colione, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you are white. That must mean that you commit fraud and steal billions of dollars from grammas' retirement fund. I mean, look at Wall Street. Defrauded the fuck out of America and crashed our economy and the vast majority of those people are white males. That means all white males are commiting fraud, right? So, we should toss your ass in prison for 30 years for fraud, just to make sure, right? (If you're Latin, we'll assume you're running drugs. If you're Asian, we'll assume you're committing massive intellectual property theft. Whatever works for ya.)

That is exactly what you are saying above. That the color of one's skin has some sort of effect on how they behave.

Just because someone is black does not mean they should be assumed to be a mugger, in just the same way that someone being white should not be assumed to be committing securities fraud. The fact that violent crime is higher in predominantly black neighborhoods has no bearing on each individual. You cannot judge one person by another person's actions, which is exactly what you are suggesting doing. That makes absolutely no sense.

It's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I cannot believe that sensible people would believe that.

The only thing white people know is fraud, come on Jimbo.

Oh, and Colione is not white, haha.

That being said, the way I see it is that it comes back to the lifestyle the culture espouses, which is basically alpha-male behavior on steroids. Skin color matters not, it's just that the target market for all these artists and producers is urban black youth. Like it or not we're "programmed" to identify closely with people that resemble us. It's why most ad agencies kick out multiple versions of an ad, or the fact that "ethnic" products still exist. You don't see white people in an ad for Goya foods, you see Latins. You don't see white people in an ad for Swisher Sweets, you usually see black people. These companies know their target markets, and for better or for worse, people of similar appearances and backgrounds tend to glom together in the same areas and share the same interests.

Look at yourself, you like art and the art scene, so you hang out with like-minded people and go to art-related events. You don't go to Space or LIV because neither of those places is your "scene" and they contain people that you can't identify with or find interesting. I don't frequent hip-hop events because I can't identify with the culture. I don't have that experience in my background to appreciate where the artists are coming from. In both cases it doesn't mean we're racist or elitist, it just means we don't participate in things that don't interest us, which is normal.

But that being said, again, the people producing and marketing hip-hop and urban culture go for the low-hanging fruit. Why are you gonna waste marketing dollars trying to get white people to listen to your music when there's hordes of black youths, cash in hand, waiting to consume your product? So, what you get when you throw a hip-hop event or ten, is hordes of black people, some of whom take the wrong message from the music, and act accordingly, causing problems for the rest of them.

Sure, percentage-wise, the stats are low. Out of 300,000 people showing up, less than a thousand are arrested. That's pretty good. However, it's the gravity of the crimes and the non-criminal (though annoying) acts that piss people off. The crimes committed aren't petty ones, it's usually violence-related. It's like dropping a nuke on Gainesville. Sure you'll only vaporize 50,000 people out of 300 million Americans, but the fact remains you did drop a nuke on a city. Pretty serious shit despite the death toll being proportionally low to the overall population.

That's not even counting unreported crimes. Like, I know people who have had their property vandalized and it's not called in just because it's pointless after the fact.

Regardless though, MDW here is a back-and-forth thing every year. Too much police presence and the NAACP gets pissed and threatens another boycott. Too little and the residents get pissed and wonder what they're paying taxes for. The City is fucked either way, so it's little wonder they'd rather everyone just pack it up and find somewhere else to go for Memorial Day.

Pod you say that the target market for hip hop artists is urban
black youth, but I think that in reality the majority of people
who buy hip hop records are believe it or not, white. I thought
it was pretty ridiculous when I heard that, but I think it's an
accurate statistic. Can anyone verify that for us? Maybe Level
since he's the hip hop fan/expert of this board.

Oh, and Colione is not white, haha.

Yeah, that's why I threw in the extras. Whatever you are, there's a stereotype for you.

That being said, the way I see it is that it comes back to the lifestyle the culture espouses, which is basically alpha-male behavior on steroids.

So, you're saying all football players are criminals? Got it. (Okay, maybe that was a bad example...)

Look at yourself, you like art and the art scene, so you hang out with like-minded people and go to art-related events. You don't go to Space or LIV because neither of those places is your "scene" and they contain people that you can't identify with or find interesting.

This is incorrect.

I don't frequent hip-hop events because I can't identify with the culture. I don't have that experience in my background to appreciate where the artists are coming from. In both cases it doesn't mean we're racist or elitist, it just means we don't participate in things that don't interest us, which is normal.

Personally, I love hip-hop. I prefer the older stuff where it had more cultural meaning and was less pointless fluff, but there is a lot of the current stuff I like.

But that being said, again, the people producing and marketing hip-hop and urban culture go for the low-hanging fruit. Why are you gonna waste marketing dollars trying to get white people to listen to your music when there's hordes of black youths, cash in hand, waiting to consume your product? So, what you get when you throw a hip-hop event or ten, is hordes of black people, some of whom take the wrong message from the music, and act accordingly, causing problems for the rest of them.

None of this is relevant to the point that not only is profiling wrong, it's stupid. Study after study shows it doesn't work and often causes more problems than not.

Sure, percentage-wise, the stats are low. Out of 300,000 people showing up, less than a thousand are arrested. That's pretty good. However, it's the gravity of the crimes and the non-criminal (though annoying) acts that piss people off. The crimes committed aren't petty ones, it's usually violence-related. It's like dropping a nuke on Gainesville. Sure you'll only vaporize 50,000 people out of 300 million Americans, but the fact remains you did drop a nuke on a city. Pretty serious shit despite the death toll being proportionally low to the overall population.

Again, irrelevant and your analogy is ridiculous.

That's not even counting unreported crimes. Like, I know people who have had their property vandalized and it's not called in just because it's pointless after the fact.

Regardless though, MDW here is a back-and-forth thing every year. Too much police presence and the NAACP gets pissed and threatens another boycott. Too little and the residents get pissed and wonder what they're paying taxes for. The City is fucked either way, so it's little wonder they'd rather everyone just pack it up and find somewhere else to go for Memorial Day.

What's your point? What's your solution? Punish the innocent to get at the guilty? That's not very libertarian of you.

I'm not suggesting anything really. I could personally give two shits since I'm smart enough to have never lived on South Beach in my decade and a half of living in South Florida. Don't get me wrong, it certainly would have it's advantages, but I just never was in a position to afford to live comfortably Beachside. And now that I am, my priorities changed and I just flat out don't want to. I live close enough to accomplish what I need to on the Beach. MDW is realistically, for me, an annoyance. I just see it as an avoidable one, but everyone is so PC that nothing has ever been done.

It is what it is folks.. Miami Gardens, Carol City, Lauderhill all have the highest crime rates in the South East United States. Do the research and find out the population status. It is what it is.... Folks are constantly in denial but until they ask their local pd for crime stats and find out whose doing most of the crime..

Okay, I was going to try to let this nonsense pass, but this is just beyond the pale. Hey, dipwad, CRIMINALS do crime. The color of ones skin is IRRELEVANT to whether or not one is a criminal.

All of you get that through your skulls. Colione, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you are white. That must mean that you commit fraud and steal billions of dollars from grammas' retirement fund. I mean, look at Wall Street. Defrauded the fuck out of America and crashed our economy and the vast majority of those people are white males. That means all white males are commiting fraud, right? So, we should toss your ass in prison for 30 years for fraud, just to make sure, right? (If you're Latin, we'll assume you're running drugs. If you're Asian, we'll assume you're committing massive intellectual property theft. Whatever works for ya.)

That is exactly what you are saying above. That the color of one's skin has some sort of effect on how they behave.

Just because someone is black does not mean they should be assumed to be a mugger, in just the same way that someone being white should not be assumed to be committing securities fraud. The fact that violent crime is higher in predominantly black neighborhoods has no bearing on each individual. You cannot judge one person by another person's actions, which is exactly what you are suggesting doing. That makes absolutely no sense.

It's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I cannot believe that sensible people would believe that.

1. he's black

2. you should ask around to see what he does for a living.

3.

It is what it is folks.. Miami Gardens, Carol City, Lauderhill all have the highest crime rates in the South East United States. Do the research and find out the population status. It is what it is.... Folks are constantly in denial but until they ask their local pd for crime stats and find out whose doing most of the crime..

Okay, I was going to try to let this nonsense pass, but this is just beyond the pale. Hey, dipwad, CRIMINALS do crime. The color of ones skin is IRRELEVANT to whether or not one is a criminal.

Just because someone is black does not mean they should be assumed to be a mugger, in just the same way that someone being white should not be assumed to be committing securities fraud. The fact that violent crime is higher in predominantly black neighborhoods has no bearing on each individual. You cannot judge one person by another person's actions, which is exactly what you are suggesting doing. That makes absolutely no sense.

It's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I cannot believe that sensible people would believe that.

Coach, I appreciate a good heated verbal discussion just as much as the next. I appreciate your interest and your willingness to serve as the defendant of crime and race.

Now that the formalities are out of the way, lets get down with the bidness chump! Btw, I am mexican/italian mixed with a bit of russian and german from my mother's side. Throw in some polish for good measures although I can't quite trace it that far..

I will take that same limb you went out on, break it at the root and hopefully knock some sense into you.

First of all, being that you are the defender of race and crime will make my arguments pretty much worthless due to your one side views.

But shall I present the facts- 90% of all violent acts and weapon confiscations directly related or associated with Urban Beach Weekend Miami located in the immediate vicinities of the related events (south beach/north miami-miami gardens) are committed by thugs. They just so happen to be black. So, we brought it down to size and we are concentrating on the above stated crime stats located in the above specific area. We are not talking about world population.

Therefore, with the above stated knowledge, most of the violent acts are committed by those described as the following- black male, short cropped hair or long braided hair and or wearing a sports team fitted baseball cap, gold teeth, silver/gold jewelry.

When I say check your local crime stats- I mean check your local crime stats. I am not inferring that only blacks are committing these crimes in your specific area. However, in cities such as lauderhill, carol city, and miami gardens listed has having the highest crime rates in the SE United States, most are by blacks. It is what it is.

Ever drive through the hood and have pd tail you for a bit- (while scanning your plates) to see if your "out of city" ass has a warrant, driving a stolen vehicle or coming to buy some dope then do a sharp U-turn? Meanwhile knows your address, your d.o.b, height, your race, and what you had for lunch that day...

The point I am trying to make is that it is what it is (AREA Specific) and there is nothing you can do about it.

So, just cause you are white in a mercedes benz driving through the hood at 3 am doesn't mean that you are coming to buy dope- it may mean you like ghetto booty. But 9 times out of 10, im going with the former..