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Postby Michael^Heaven on 09 Nov 2016 03:41

Trump takes it!

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Postby slamminshaun on 09 Nov 2016 08:40

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I say, the long-running theme on TNL continues.

January 19, 2016....

slamminshaun wrote:His Clairvoyance, the Slammer, the intellectual legend possessed of alien-like abilities and hypersensitive faculties, can see far into the future as evidenced by his 99.6% accuracy rating. Which is why there's no sense in making a prediction about this one, because Trump has already won.


August 16, 2016.....

TechJunkie wrote: of course soon everybody will look back at Trump as a laughingstock.
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Postby coach on 09 Nov 2016 09:12

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Yup, I was wrong, I admit it. Even in all my cynicism, even I did not think the country was this far gone.
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Postby coach on 09 Nov 2016 09:19

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I seriously cannot imagine how this is going to go. It's so weird to have someone so unqualified in the Presidency. Will he really pursue all of those crazy plans he talked about or will we find out that was just electioneering bluster?

Also, can we FINALLY put all those stupid "election is rigged" conspiracy theories to bed?
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Postby slamminshaun on 09 Nov 2016 09:20

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coach wrote:Yup, I was wrong, I admit it. Even in all my cynicism, even I did not think the country was this far gone.


It wasn't the country, it was the Democrat party. If they had nominated Bernie, he would have won and you'd be talking about how awesome America is. The Democrat party did not listen to the voters and rigged the nomination against him in favor of their prized establishment puppet....but today they're feeling the Bern.
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Postby colione98 on 09 Nov 2016 09:46

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coach wrote:Yup, I was wrong,The Democrat party did not listen to the voters and rigged the nomination against him in favor of their prized establishment puppet....but today they're feeling the Bern.


Bernie was a hardcore socialist who looked good on paper. He wanted to flatten out the economy with tax hikes, free college, and equal income. That wouldn't work today, nor would any of that get passed.
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Postby TechJunkie on 09 Nov 2016 10:18

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Postby pod on 09 Nov 2016 10:44

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The election is over - and thank god. To paraphrase Bruce, I really did wonder which diploma mill was handing out the poli-sci degrees like they were going out of style. I bet it was Yale.

Anyways. Wow. I never saw that one coming. I'm not an analyst, but I never thought in a million years I'd be seeing the words "President Trump" outside of a Simpsons episode. But, it looks like he won. He's boorish and pretty damn insensitive to people - and since I'm pretty damn insensitive you know he's got it in spades for me to say so. But, he won. HRC lost. I guess the elections aren't rigged. Or maybe they are. Who knows? To my Democratic friends. Welcome to the POTUS Losers brigade. I always vote third-party in the federal elections so I'm used to it.

But here's my unsolicited analysis of all the players. Read if you want. Or don't. I'm gonna go back to sunrise panoramas after this so enjoy.


Republicans - Your boy got it, like I said. He rode a wave of resentment and ostracism to become the 45th President of the United States. He hit your party like a nuclear bomb. Fact is, you needed it. Your party was stuck in the mud and just bashing Obama on repeat was getting old. You have a golden (orange) opportunity to bring your party back to the basics. Come around on social issues and abortion, and you'll win big. Trump nuked y'all and you guys mutated. Run with it and emerge better. Don't squander it, and don't waste your time trying to impeach Trump. Let the Dems do that if they want. You guys just worry about getting your own house in order. Beating on DJT will just waste time. You guys gotta work on the delivery too. Stop yelling at people. We're not deaf.

Dems - Your girl lost. Fact is, people saw her as "more of the same" - and they didn't want that. She may have had the experience, but the humanity and trust factor were low. You guys had your own outsider, in the form of Bernie. I get it, the Party is a private entity and can do what it wants, but instead of giving HRC the nod because "it was her turn" was a bad move. Bernie would have won if he squared off against Trump. Hell, I liked the guy and I am certainly not a socialist. His policies were way out there, but like anything in politics, there's the grand plan and then you bring it back to earth. Take Bernie's ideas and go with them. They appeal to a lot of people (the workingman especially) that went Trump. You could maybe make inroads in 2018. Also - remember, there's a whole huge country between New York/Miami and Los Angeles. HRC was down here so much I thought she bought a house in Baypoint. Pandering to the base here would have been better spent appealing to the disaffected folk in the interior states. Dems, you gotta be more approachable. Don't talk down to people. Talk with them.

Libertarians - Oh Gary. I voted for you. I even saw you at FIU in September. Again, I'm used to the "L" losing. But someday it'll change. Just not today. Maybe I should have pushed harder in support. But I have work and a life. Which is a problem we all have actually. But Gary, I'll be honest - what crippled you from hitting the "5%" mark was having Bill Weld as a VP nominee. Bill was too much of a mystery and his back-road endorsement of HRC turned a lot of potential "L" voters into Trump voters. Gary, if you run in 2020, don't tap Bill for VP. Heck, I'll do it. That being said, the LP made huge strides this go-around. I even saw the Libertarian Party mentioned on Nickelodeon. That's big, when the kids' network says you are a political force. Great effort, but break the Weld. Bill, you're not a bad guy, you just aren't Libertarian. And the Party has to work on the sales approach too. Don't think you can just take away peoples' government all at once - they'll get scared and fight. Even if what you are doing is right.

Greens - Jill Stein is my favorite batshit crazy lady. She's nuts but she's the real deal strong-woman candidate. If you wanted to vote female on principle, you should have voted Stein. Girl has gotten herself arrested multiple times in support of her cause. That takes a pair. As the kids say, she's "based". Snowball's chance in hell, but I can see disaffected Dems going Green today. Greens, you gotta work on some things too. Think long term, don't think about just dismantling things in one term.


People wanted an outsider and they got it. Someone or many someones are going to have to teach Trump the ins and outs of being President. He can choose to ignore the niceties of politics, but he can't really ignore being Presidential. He's gotta behave, basically. Otherwise, he'll be playing right into the oppositions' hands. And probably get impeached.

Interesting times ahead. But in all honesty, I don't see much changing on a daily basis for the average American. I woke up this morning, drove my step-son to school. People seemed to just be going about their day. There were no riots or signs of civil unrest. The gardeners are cutting the lawn right now even. Could Trump disrupt all that? Sure. But so could have HRC, Johnson, or Stein. Or maybe not. Remember, there's a whole lot of other moving parts to the bloated mess called the US Government. A lot has to break down for really bad nuclear things to happen. Trump isn't easily going to get us nuked.

But if he does, I have an awesome idea for a dance party.
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Postby coach on 09 Nov 2016 14:35

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slamminshaun wrote:
coach wrote:Yup, I was wrong, I admit it. Even in all my cynicism, even I did not think the country was this far gone.


It wasn't the country, it was the Democrat party. If they had nominated Bernie, he would have won and you'd be talking about how awesome America is. The Democrat party did not listen to the voters and rigged the nomination against him in favor of their prized establishment puppet....but today they're feeling the Bern.

pod wrote:People wanted an outsider...

This is the thing that BOTH parties and the media got wrong. Pretty much every election for at least a decade has been a vote for change and against the perceived establishment, but everyone blew it off as a small "alt" part of the electorate. The Republicans saw mass defection with the Tea Party. Obama was certainly a vote for change from the Democrats. The Occupy movement. The Bernie movement. All of that was a rebellion against the establishment. But, nobody paid attention.

But, we never got that "change" that people asked for over and over. Shaun is right that if the Democrats had run Bernie, we probably would have seen a different outcome. It would have been two change politicians against each other, one a crazy asshole lunatic, and the other a really smart statesman. Hillary just could not motivate that part of the party that is really disgusted with the establishment.

This is a loss for both parties. Pod said to the Republicans that their boy won, but I do not think that is true. Sure, he is Republican in name, but he is against most of the party platform, which means it is in name only. Even though I disagree with many Republican policies, I would not call most of their politicians insane.

Will the parties learn their lesson and realize that the electorate really is disgusted with the establishment politics as usual? Probably not.

One last point, Trump is absolutely not an outsider. He is a rich old white guy, the epitome of insider. But, he talked like an outsider and convinced gullible people that he is indeed different from the people he has been chummy with all his life.
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Postby slamminshaun on 09 Nov 2016 15:32

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coach wrote:One last point, Trump is absolutely not an outsider. He is a rich old white guy, the epitome of insider. But, he talked like an outsider and convinced gullible people that he is indeed different from the people he has been chummy with all his life.


Even he said that. I'm not sure you actually paid attention to any of his speeches during the campaign Him being an establishment guy was the whole appeal. He bragged about the fact that he was apart of the establishment, the guy who had politicians in his back pocket. and now he's on a crusade to pull the curtain back (drain the swamp) and expose the club for what it is, and that only a former club member can do it because only a former club member knows how it works. Believe it, don't believe it, whatever...but that was his pitch and it obviously worked.
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