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Postby pod on 05 May 2016 12:06

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The whole point of the modern forms of government was to have public servants, not public masters.
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Postby JMT on 19 May 2016 10:37

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2016: 'We want food!': Venezuela crisis deepens

2013: Hugo Chavez’s economic miracle

Salon wrote:The Venezuelan leader was often marginalized as a radical. But his brand of socialism achieved real economic gains


Another classic from Salon.
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Postby TechJunkie on 19 May 2016 10:43

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How authoritarian socialism caused Venezuela's collapse
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Venezuela's president blames foreign companies, the United States, and other dark foreign forces. But the actual reason is a mix of socialism and authoritarianism, which has systematically destroyed Venezuela's productive capacities.

Now, the proximate cause of much of the mayhem, as my colleague Jeff Spross points out, is a byzantine official currency exchange rate which needlessly pushes up inflation and government deficits. And he's right. The late President Hugo Chavez put in those currency controls to prevent capital flight and increase government control over the economy.

But Venezuela has a bigger problem, too: authoritarian socialism. The Venezuelan brand of socialism leads to misery and corruption just like water flows downhill.

Consider the basic necessities of life. Food, toilet paper, and many other basic goods are hard to come by in Venezuela. Why? Well, when Chavez decided the prices of necessities were too high, he first put the squeeze on retailers, accusing them of hoarding or raising prices to bilk the customer. Then he put in price controls which, just as Econ 101 says they would do, led to shortages and a black market. The government responded by arresting CEOs and executives of retailing firms.

The government doesn't just control the oil industry, imposing windfall taxes as high as 50 percent on the few private sector projects that remain. The government has nationalized rice mills, large producers of agricultural products, and expropriated millions of acres of farmland; it has acquired some banks and shut down others; nationalized the cement sector; tried to nationalize gold miners; nationalized the country's largest steel mill and the country's largest telecommunications company; expropriated the nation's largest power producer (remember those rolling blackouts?), and more.

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Postby pod on 19 May 2016 12:32

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Yay, government.
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Postby coach on 19 May 2016 13:08

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pod wrote:Every Commie I've ever talked to in this country (yes, I know Commies...) always says the same thing - "Well, when we get a chance to implement it, we're gonna do it right!"


Statist idiots don't realize that the only way to prevent that corruption is to never grant that much power in the first place.

Duhhh, that's the point of communism, so all the wealth/power is not concentrated in a few people.
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Postby pod on 19 May 2016 13:15

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Never works though. People are greedy, for better or for worse. All implementations of communism still have had class divisions. Think about it.

The USSR was a "model" of communism, but there were still things like some people having better living conditions than others. High-ranking members of the military often enjoyed a standard of living comparable to many Western nations. They had a car, a nice home somewhere, and access to things like gyms, supermarkets, and so on.

The rest of the people had to put up with bread lines and so forth.

The Norks and Cubans still operate under this system today.
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Postby coach on 19 May 2016 13:31

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Saying that the system in Venezuala is Socialism is like saying the system in the United States is Capitalism.
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Postby pod on 19 May 2016 13:58

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coach wrote:Saying that the system in Venezuala is Socialism is like saying the system in the United States is Capitalism.


Exactly. Human nature goes beyond labels. People will do whatever is in their own best interests, "systems" be damned.

Let's put it this way, if you or I were in a "communist" country, we'd both either be politicians or in the military, or trying to be a part of those classes. There'd be no nobility in being a peasant. Or we'd be producing propaganda. Tools of the State got special treatment too. Sergei Eisenstein lived very well considering he was a filmmaker in the Soviet Union. The trick was producing whatever his comrades wished him to do so.

Then again, we kind of do that anyways here in the US. There's no nobility in being a peasant in the US, either.
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Postby TechJunkie on 19 May 2016 14:34

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pod wrote:The USSR was a "model" of communism, but there were still things like some people having better living conditions than others.


The USSR was a socialist country founded by communists. It was not a communist country.
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Postby pod on 19 May 2016 14:44

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Good point. However, even they used the terms interchangeably. Regardless, despite all their blather about equality, some animals were more equal than others. Your average light colonel in the PVO had his Zil & dacha outside of Moscow. The proles had to deal with an unheated apartment and Starka vodka.
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