Obama looked Extremely Confident Last Night, GOP not so Much

Has it ever pertained to you that perhaps you live in an area that is thriving where the rest of the country is suffering? I talk to over 200 different companies every single week in my industry. Not just the glass industry, but companies that supply us materials, trucking, etc. Over the past 10 years I have built strong relationships with these companies because I have to communicate with them on a daily basis... and let me repeat, NONE of them are hiring.

Sure, maybe low paying Starbucks and McDonald's and nightclubs looking for bar backs are, but not in the industrial industry.

The low paying hospitality industry is doing well - Great $8/hr can really do wonders for a family
The low paying retail industry is doing well - Great $7/hr can really do wonders for a family
The government jobs are doing well - Great $10/hr can really do wonders for a family

but everything else is complete pure fucking shit right now. Ya know, the decent paying jobs. I know liberals like yourself frown upon wealth but someone making $10-$15/hours is not very good job growth and that is the only growth we are getting.

I can't even bother any more. You're just too full of misinformation to even bother with and too dumb to get it. Go Newt....or Herm.....or The Donald....or whomever you're behind today.

For those interested in reality.....all these numbers are measured using the same method.

Dade, c'mon man, seriously....you're actually posting statistics and charts from Obama's campaign website and calling it "reality"?? That's lower than low. Those statistics and charts you're posting aren't worth the paper they're written on. The "unemployment rate is falling" is pure Obama propoganda and all a matter of perspective....

First of all, we know the unemployment rate is a doctored number that has been redefined in order to distort reality for political gain. To get a true unemployment rate, go to ShadowStats.com, which peels back the calculation to its original definition, before politicans got their hands on it.

Secondly, we know that the employment to population ratio, which is a more reliable method for determining employment trends of a country, has been steadily getting worse all while the unemployment rate is miraculously getting better. Don't even get me started on the birth-death models these statistical magicians use.

Thirdly, a job is not a job is not a job. More important than the unemployment rate is the underemployment rate. High paying jobs have been replaced with low paying service and retail jobs. The destruction of high paying jobs will continue to be a theme in 2012. The jobs being created will be at McDonald's and Walmart. I don't care what politicians say in their speeches, that will be the reality.

This leads to number four, people are no more wealthier today in real terms than 3 years ago....hell, 12 years ago! We have literally witnessed a lost decade, where the best an American can hope for is having the same standard of living he had 10 years ago. Washington and Wall Street are getting wealthy, but the rest of the country is no better off. Paychecks are about the same or slightly decreasing in real terms while everything else....from oil, food, medicine, and insurance, has skyrocketed, along with the debt it now takes to finance it all.

I could go on to points 5, 6, 7, 8.....20. My conclusion is, the overall economy is no better off than 3 years ago...in fact, it's worse. Sure, it feels better, but it felt pretty damn good in 2005 too and we all agree that was an illusion. Sunset is approaching again and the difference this time is the Feds are out of holy water, garlic, and wooden stakes. The symptoms have temporarily been papered over with more debt and the distractions of Europe's mess, but the gimmicks won't last for long.

I can't even bother any more. You're just too full of misinformation to even bother with and too dumb to get it. Go Newt....or Herm.....or The Donald....or whomever you're behind today.

For those interested in reality.....all these numbers are measured using the same method.

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Hey dumb butt fuck.. this was an advertisement on the Miami Herald, Orlando Sentinel;, Tampa Tribunes (Paid for by Obama) - Fail

I am moving to Orlando in a few months and I cannot fucking wait to work at Disney making $6.50/hr. - It is going to be fucking epic. Perhaps you should take your mind out of the gutter and watch more things on TV than the MS National Barack Chanel which is called MSNBC. I would actually clap and cheer for you but according to Brian Williams (National Barack Channel) I will get arrested for doing so

Dade, c'mon man, seriously....you're actually posting statistics and charts from Obama's campaign website and calling it "reality"?? That's lower than low. Those statistics and charts you're posting aren't worth the paper they're written on. The "unemployment rate is falling" is pure Obama propoganda and all a matter of perspective....

Both the number of unemployed persons (13.1 million) and the unemployment rate
(8.5 percent) continued to trend down in December. The unemployment rate has
declined by 0.6 percentage point since August. (See table A-1.)

Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rate for adult men decreased
to 8.0 percent in December. The jobless rates for adult women (7.9 percent),
teenagers (23.1 percent), whites (7.5 percent), blacks (15.8 percent), and
Hispanics (11.0 percent) showed little change. The jobless rate for Asians
was 6.8 percent, not seasonally adjusted. (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)

The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) was
little changed at 5.6 million and accounted for 42.5 percent of the unemployed.
(See table A-12.)

The civilian labor force participation rate (64.0 percent) and the employment-
population ratio (58.5 percent) were both unchanged over the month. (See
table A-1.)

The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes
referred to as involuntary part-time workers) declined by 371,000 to 8.1
million in December. These individuals were working part time because their
hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job.
(See table A-8.)

About 2.5 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force in
December, little different from a year earlier. (The data are not seasonally
adjusted.) These individuals were not in the labor force, wanted and were
available for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months.
They were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in
the 4 weeks preceding the survey. (See table A-16.)

Among the marginally attached, there were 945,000 discouraged workers in
December, a decrease of 373,000 from a year earlier. (The data are not seasonally
adjusted.) Discouraged workers are persons not currently looking for work
because they believe no jobs are available for them. The remaining 1.6 million
persons marginally attached to the labor force in December had not searched for
work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey for reasons such as school attendance or
family responsibilities. (See table A-16.)

Establishment Survey Data

Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 200,000 in December. Over the
past 12 months, nonfarm payroll employment has risen by 1.6 million. Employment
in the private sector rose by 212,000 in December and by 1.9 million over the
year. Government employment changed little over the month but fell by 280,000
over the year. (See table B-1.)

Employment in transportation and warehousing rose sharply in December (+50,000).
Almost all of the gain occurred in the couriers and messengers industry (+42,000);
seasonal hiring was particularly strong in December.

Retail trade continued to add jobs in December, with a gain of 28,000. Employment
in the industry has increased by 240,000 over the past 12 months. Over the month,
job gains continued in general merchandise stores (+13,000) and in clothing and
clothing accessories stores (+11,000). Employment in sporting goods, hobby, book,
and music stores fell by 10,000.

In December, manufacturing employment expanded by 23,000, following 4 months of
little change. Employment increased in December in transportation equipment
(+9,000), fabricated metals (+6,000), and machinery (+5,000).

Mining employment rose by 7,000 over the month. Over the year, mining added
89,000 jobs.

Health care continued to add jobs in December (+23,000); employment in hospitals
increased by 10,000. Over the year, health care employment has risen by 315,000.

Within leisure and hospitality, employment in food services and drinking places
continued to trend up in December (+24,000). Over the year, food services and
drinking places has added 230,000 jobs.

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Jesus Christ do you guys not fucking realize that the job growth in November to mid January is because of seasonal hires?

They are called Short term jobs. In other words "Seasonal" hires

In June the average Abercombie and Fitch store has 30 employees... during the 'Seasonal" Season they have to ramp it up to 70+

The average Sea World day is 425 employees... during the "Seasonal" season it is almost 1,000

The "seasonal" hires last til about the mid of January of the next year.

There are 2 big time bowl games in Orlando... they have to hire almost 500 part time workers to work these games - very low income.. Mostly unemployed people. - Just ONE fucking example.

Any idiot would know that November to end of January will help the unemployment rate. Even Urkel knows this....

Dade, c'mon man, seriously....you're actually posting statistics and charts from Obama's campaign website and calling it "reality"?? That's lower than low. Those statistics and charts you're posting aren't worth the paper they're written on. The "unemployment rate is falling" is pure Obama propoganda and all a matter of perspective....

First of all, we know the unemployment rate is a doctored number that has been redefined in order to distort reality for political gain. To get a true unemployment rate, go to ShadowStats.com, which peels back the calculation to its original definition, before politicans got their hands on it.

Secondly, we know that the employment to population ratio, which is a more reliable method for determining employment trends of a country, has been steadily getting worse all while the unemployment rate is miraculously getting better. Don't even get me started on the birth-death models these statistical magicians use.

Thirdly, a job is not a job is not a job. More important than the unemployment rate is the underemployment rate. High paying jobs have been replaced with low paying service and retail jobs. The destruction of high paying jobs will continue to be a theme in 2012. The jobs being created will be at McDonald's and Walmart. I don't care what politicians say in their speeches, that will be the reality.

This leads to number four, people are no more wealthier today in real terms than 3 years ago....hell, 12 years ago! We have literally witnessed a lost decade, where the best an American can hope for is having the same standard of living he had 10 years ago. Washington and Wall Street are getting wealthy, but the rest of the country is no better off. Paychecks are about the same or slightly decreasing in real terms while everything else....from oil, food, medicine, and insurance, has skyrocketed, along with the debt it now takes to finance it all.

I could go on to points 5, 6, 7, 8.....20. My conclusion is, the overall economy is no better off than 3 years ago...in fact, it's worse. Sure, it feels better, but it felt pretty damn good in 2005 too and we all agree that was an illusion. Sunset is approaching again and the difference this time is the Feds are out of holy water, garlic, and wooden stakes. The symptoms have temporarily been papered over with more debt and the distractions of Europe's mess, but the gimmicks won't last for long.

That's a long, well articulated post and I agree with almost all of it but, nowhere in it do you even try to make the claim that unemployment is not lower today than it was when Barry took office. It was a lot of talk with no actual conclusion. Of course, we're used to that from you.

See.....numbers are numbers. When simply trying to know if the rate has risen or dropped, it does not matter how we calculate the unemployment rate as long as we're consistent in our method. In other words, any method used will show the same arc of progress or decline.

Just because that's Obama's chart, (which I was sent by a friend via email), it doesn't mean it's not true. The arc would be exactly the same if we used all the factors you mentioned because we would be using them for the whole chart.

A quick check of your shadowstats.com proves my point. Every chart they use on your preferred site shows exactly the same arc. They all show that unemployment is down.

Here's an example:

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You see? I never made the claim that 8.5% was accurate. I don't believe that either. What I said, and I stand by it, is that unemployment is on the decline. EVERY CHART ON SHADOWSTATS.COM CONFIRMS THAT.

Is it OK to believe it now that shadowstats.com has confirmed it?

A Decline in Viewers for State of the Union Address

Everyone must be too busy with their new jobs.

Our educational system could train people if they were interested. Not enough are. Nobody wants jobs that seem 'hard'.

This is nonsense you perpetrate through your own worldview.

Bullshit Dade. All we are adding are Government jobs that the country cannot afford. These jobs are all short term.

Actually, look at the numbers, government jobs are falling hardcore. That is actually a big part of the still high unemployment numbers.