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Should kids be allowed to watch Chaz Bono on DWTS?

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Postby pod on Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:33 pm

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TechJunkie wrote:
Plenty of young guys who drive around with "NO FAT CHICKS" bumper stickers on their cars end up later in life in love with with fat chicks. People change. Love is powerful stuff.


Hmm, I had a "Bomb The Commies" bumper sticker on my Big Wheel when I was a kid. So yeah, it makes sense.
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Postby Bling on Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:47 pm

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yes; kids need to learn how to embrace differences. there is enough bullying in schools nowadays that bully against nerds, homosexuals, basically anything that is different.

while chaz's situation is extreme, if you ban your kids from watching him on DWTS then the status quo will continue and society will never become more tolerant
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Postby Electronic Foodie on Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:57 pm

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Chaz wrote:"I'm going to be dancing. I'm not up there talking about anything other than dancing," Bono said Tuesday morning on "Good Morning America." "People who don't have gender dysphoria aren't going to catch it by watching me dance on television."


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Postby TechJunkie on Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:36 pm

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I still just don't get it. People are trying to pass on xenophobia as a family value? I don't understand.

Jesus would be very disappointed.
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Postby JMT on Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:41 pm

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Chalk me up as someone who doesn't "get" the the whole transgender thing. I "get" gay, it is the way you are born. It even happens in animals, it's nature. But I don't understand undergoing major surgeries to artificially become another sex, having useless sex organs and taking hormone drugs the rest of your life. To me, that isn't nature, it's psychiatric. I don't see it as much different than some guy thinking he is a bird and then getting feathers implanted all over his body.

That said, I don't watch the show, don't plan to, and don't care.
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Postby TechJunkie on Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:47 pm

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I've known a few people in my life who were genuinely transgendered. Maybe that's why I'm so confused?

I'm really, truly, trying to get my head around this explanation:

I advise parents to not allow their children to watch the episodes in which Chaz appears.

Here’s why: Many of the children who might be watching will be establishing a sense of self which includes, of course, a sexual/gender identity. Some will be girls becoming comfortable with dramatic changes in their bodies. Some will be boys coming to terms with integrating the dawn of manhood with exquisite feelings of vulnerability. Young viewers will include tomboyish girls and sensitive, less stereotypically “masculine” boys. They will also include children who have sustained the losses of loved ones and are wrestling with depression, perhaps wondering who they are absent their deceased mothers or fathers.

The last thing vulnerable children and adolescents need, as they wrestle with the normal process of establishing their identities, is to watch a captive crowd in a studio audience applaud on cue for someone whose search for an identity culminated with the removal of her breasts, the injection of steroids and, perhaps one day soon, the fashioning of a make-shift phallus to replace her vagina.

It is a toxic and unnecessary byproduct of the tragic celebration of transgender surgery that millions of young people who do watch "Dancing with the Stars" will have to ponder this question: Maybe my problems really stem from the fact that I’m a girl inside a boy’s body (or a boy inside a girls body). Maybe I’m not a tomboy; I’m just a boy! Maybe I’m not just being bullied because I’m a sensitive, reflective young man interested in flowers, not football. Maybe I’m not just uncertain about my sexuality. Maybe I’m a girl! Maybe all this angst and suffering I’m feeling as I emerge into puberty and pass through it isn’t just because I’m changing, but because I should change completely—and have my breasts removed or my penis amputated!

It would be wrong to think that gender dysphoria cannot be kindled by celebrating those who have undergone sexual reassignment surgery. Human beings do model one another—in terms of emotion, thought and behavior. By broadcasting, applauding and mainstreaming the journey of a very disordered person who endured, and likely will continue to endure, real suffering based on extraordinarily deep psychological problems, we suggest that that journey is a smart—even heroic—one to take.

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I still just don't understand whether this person is denying that transgendered people exist? He calls them "toxic", and by implication "cowardly" and "stupid". You could only support this point of view if you think that there really isn't such a thing as a transgendered person, and that anybody who has reassignment surgery has made some kind of tragic, stupid, cowardly, toxic mistake.

That's incredibly judgmental, and a good Christian should keep his or her nose out of other peoples' struggles unless they're trying to help.

And aren't there plenty of people on Dancing With The Stars who have breast implants? How is that somehow a good, Christian thing to do?
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Postby pod on Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:05 pm

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JMT wrote: To me, that isn't nature, it's psychiatric. I don't see it as much different than some guy thinking he is a bird and then getting feathers implanted all over his body.



South Park did it!

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Well, almost.

You're right in that respect, it's a psychiatric condition, when your brain is one sex but your body is another. Only recently has technology caught up, in some respects, to the condition. Male-to-female sex changes are quite routine, and the engineering is getting very good, to the point where it is really just aesthetics. The bits aren't functional in the sense that a transgendered woman can have a baby or have sex without the aid of K-Y or whatever, but aesthetically it's almost there. 20 years from now it would not surprise me to see transgendered women who can conceive and give birth, and go through the motions of sexual intercourse without a tub of K-Y.

The only surefire way to find out if a woman is trans or not in about 50 years will be a genetic screening, and I expect in a century even that problem will be licked.

So basically the problem has always been there, and the sufferers have usually either had to subject themselves to hackjob surgeries and still not be happy, or suffer in silence and usually end up killing themselves.

Now, this is all male-to-female. Female to male is way behind due to the plumbing.
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Postby davenavarro on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:05 pm

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If I had kids, I wouldn't let them watch the show. Not because of Chaz Bono being on the show this season, but because it's a crappy show. I also wouldn't want them watching crappy-ass American Idol either.
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Postby norah on Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:01 am

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davenavarro wrote:If I had kids, I wouldn't let them watch the show. Not because of Chaz Bono being on the show this season, but because it's a crappy show. I also wouldn't want them watching crappy-ass American Idol either.



Well obviously. But the question here was if you'd let your kid watch Chaz Bono and trust me as a parent, most toddlers/ kids wouldn't know the difference, Chaz looks like a man.
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Postby Electronic Foodie on Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:25 am

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